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Que se passe t'il? Doit-on assumer que le propriétaire de cette terre à Ste-Rose a conclus une entente avec les photographes d'Harfang des neiges? Si oui c'est beau de voir que l'harmonie c'est installée entre les propriétaires du coin et les photographes de l'extérieur. Merci au photographe local pour la permission de publier cette photo qu'il a pris aujourd'hui.
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C'est domage que l'argent gaspille souvent les choses précieuses
Anonyme, il n`y avait aucune question d argent ici. Les gens que vous voyez, provienne du Quebec et non aucun respect pour les cultivateurs. Ils ce sont fait dire 3 fois de sortir. La police a attendue 1.5 hrs au coin de Con.20 et Ch. ste.Rose. Comme d habitude, apres que le policier soit parti, ils reviennent. Jacques mentionne peut etre un ``harmony```, croit moi apres cette semaine il n`y a que frustation.
Hi.
I find that hard to believe. If the police return a second time they can charge them....so I find it hard to believe anyone would return a second time (as it's not worth it). The only way someone will be on land with no trespassing "a second time" is if a deal was made or permission was asked and it was granted. So, I have a hard time buying that excuse. Thanks.
The reason the fields were restricted in the first place was due to the Ottawa company bringing people daily to take shots at $2700 per photographer. So I guess money did spoil things for many respectful birders/photographers.
I also dought this was a non profit group (approx. $110,000 of camera gear in that field)
Beleive me, they were trespassing. They were confronted on Conc.20 and Conc.19 without any permission from the land owners. As for the police, when you wait 1.5 hrs and see nothing, why would they come back. Maybey a second call was never placed, who knows. Let me explain it in English. The photographers were in the field, someone called the police, photogs left, police arrived, police waited, police left, photogs came back. There is no excuses here.
Thanks
Quand j'ai pris la photo il n'y avais aucune police sur le coin 20/19...Il était peut-etre partie.
Je vais commencer a y aller plus regulierement.
Merci Jacques
Apres avoir parler avec le proprietaire, les gens n'avez aucun droit d'aller sur la proprietee sur la Conc.19.
Some no trespassing signs went up earlier than others. Were the workshops (where people pay lots of money to go photograph snowy owls) the reason that ALL the no trespassing signs went up? Did some signs go up unrelated to this?
Before the workshops (2006), no signs were noticed. I Don't blame the farmers for trying to control increasing traffic on their properties.
One of the reason I heard for signs going put up because of the workshops. I heard the farmers found out about it (the money making) after the fact.
No matter the reasons for the signs, I'm just glad the Ste-Rose Snowies will have a better chance at living a stress free life.
Let's just hope the problem doesn't happen in neighbouring communities...
VERY WELL SAID
Owls are under stress if they do not find enough food to eat. Owls last year at st- rose look healthy and none starved that i know. Owls are not stupid and will fly away if harassed.
I agree they do fly away but some individuals keep following...specially if they paid $2700 to get that precious shot. Try to imagine having someone follow you arround like that non stop. You will survive but be stressed. This is not a question of survival. Has more to do with wildlife respect.
I urge anyone who really cares about the welfare of snowy owls or any owl to slow down where owls are located. Do your part to help the owls if you really care. Vehicles kill more owls each year than anyone photographing it. I know of no snowy owl that will let you follow it. Good luck if you try.
Interesting comments. Why does it matter what the reasons for the signs are. They exist and it is clear what they mean. Also, Snowy Owls NEVER fly towards people unless they have been conditioned changing a wild animals behaviour for your own enjoyment is wrong. And the starving argument is weak as NOBODY ever goes to "feed" these birds without trying to photograph them. The photo speaks volumes. Shame shame shame on them all.
Even more shameful is if a Snowy Owl dies from starvation and many do each year. Feeding Snowy Owls or any owl in Ontario is a legal activity according to the MNR. People feed birds all the time. When an owl dies from starvation, shame, shame, shame.
Feeding birds of pray with live mice is a complicated issue. I've done it in the past but decided against the practice for the following reasons:
- Has the potential to change wildlife behaviour when it happens often, like in Ste-Rose.
- Birds could become infected with virus transmitted from "pet store" mice (handled by humains). Wild birds are not immune to this type of virus. Just imagine if you had a "bad batch" of mice and started off on your Photo treck feeding many individuals in one day...
Since my decision to stop feeding birds of pray I've also disabled my feeders for the same reasoning.
All this being said I still stuggle with this issue. I have the urge to try and balance a system unbalanced by humans...I use to be a STRONG believer in natural selection. Unfortunatly human presence is changing the definition of "natural selection".
Local photographer
Giving bird seeds or baiting a live mouse is totally different. That argument does not stand up. Money photographers have been using that line for too long. Baiting on the side of the road is just ridiculous and very dangerous. You have to wonder about the "good intentions"?
If people want to see it first hand whats going on. A workshop group is in Ste. Rose as we speak.
It does not matter the "motive" why some feed birds including owls. People feed for different reasons. The end result is the same irregardless of motive, the bird/owl gets fed. Simple as that.
No that is not more "shameful" that is nature. It is best when we interfere with nature as little as possible. Evidence shows humans are poor stewards of nature. Anyway, the idiots in the above photo are proof that irresponsible photographers (and most actually are responsible) will go to any lengths to get their fake looking photos. Only people who know nothing about owls are impressed with these staged shots. And funny how they never show the mice...afraid people will see what they are up to. Pathetic!
HAHA...I read the above comments. People feed birds all the time. What an illinformed comment. Birds that come to feeders are foragers. That is their normal behaviour. It is what they do. And studies have shown that feeder birds are not as dependent on feeders as we think they are. An owl flying towards a person is not typical behaviour. The commenter above had it right.
Final update on this issue:
After going back to Ste-Rose today (my last time) I confirm the group photographed above still patrolling the "No trespassing" area for snowy owls. Some of the same vehicles were noticed (Quebec & Ontario plates). I have concluded these photographers have the rights to the farm land.
No that is not more "shameful" that is nature. It is best when we interfere with nature as little as possible. Evidence shows humans are poor stewards of nature. Anyway, the ''bleep...'' in the above photo are proof that irresponsible photographers (and most actually are responsible) will go to any lengths to get their fake looking photos. Only people who know nothing about owls are impressed with these staged shots. And funny how they never show the mice...afraid people will see what they are up to. Pathetic!
"Nature" isn't what's keeping your pet dog or cat alive. Sometimes people feed because they care or just want to. People feed birds all the time. Whether I or anyone take photos of birds at feeders is beside the point. At least people who are feeding the birds/owls are doing something to help them which is more than I can say about you.
Keep in mind people. No matter what you think, the activity of feeding birds/owls is legal. Vehicles kill more birds and owls than any person watching or photographing it. Actually, feeders are a great place for birds of prey to hunt too.
Quote: "Giving bird seeds or baiting a live mouse is totally different. That argument does not stand up."
There is no argument. You are feeding a bird in both case. The Ministry of Natural Resources considers feeding a bird/owl a legal activity. But you are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else is entitled to theirs. Just respect each others opinion. People don't always agree on things and that's alright. People who feed birds/owls are not doing anything illegal.
Quote: "HAHA...I read the above comments. People feed birds all the time. What an illinformed comment. Birds that come to feeders are foragers. That is their normal behaviour.
[Owls that eat mice are birds of prey. That is THEIR normal behaviour.]
It is what they do.
[It is what owls do]
And studies have shown that feeder birds are not as dependent on feeders as we think they are.
[And owls that are fed are not dependant on that means of obtaining food either. But whether you are feeding birds or owls, it's a helping hand].
An owl flying towards a person is not typical behaviour.
[A chickadee flying toward my hands is not "normal" behaviour either].
The commenter above had it right.
[We are all entitled to an opinion.].
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Final update on this issue:
"After going back to Ste-Rose today (my last time) I confirm the group photographed above still patrolling the "No trespassing" area for snowy owls. Some of the same vehicles were noticed (Quebec & Ontario plates). I have concluded these photographers have the rights to the farm land."
I thought so. One day is something else but 5 days? Likely they have permission to be there.
Unless you have proof from the farmers. Please lets not jump to conclusions. Reliable source say that these people were traspassing.
Lets face it, the majority of photographers have no problems with baiting owls. But one must assume that most photographers are against baiting owls on the side of roads. This practice has become very popular this year; Amherst, Ste. Rose, Southern Ontario, upstate New York and even in England were the problem was voiced very loud.
These actions are dangerous and simply irresponsable.
Food for thought.
I am touched by the concern shown for the owls...how much the photographers care. So tell me, how many of you who are in favour of this EVER fed an owl without bringing along your camera. Don't tell me it is about concern for the bird.
It may be normal behaviour for an owl to eat a mouse. Yes, but you missed the point! It is NOT normal behaviour to fly towards people. This mentality went away years ago when they stopped feeding bears and such in parks. Ever wonder why you aren't allowed to feed wildlife in parks?? As for it being illegal/legal. The MNR is such a weak agency these days. They have more people riding desks than out in the field. The only reason they allow it is because of the precedent. If you made it illegal than so would the baiting of a hook for fishing. And one of the previous posts noted the danger of feeding owls store bought mice. Ask any rehabilitator about those dangers. They are very real.
Rehabilitators get their mice from the same place. They order the dead ones (frozen). I know someone who worked as a bird of prey rehabilitator.
So, if the MNR doesn't serve your purpose or ideals you feel the need to knock it? That's your choice of course. We're all entitled to an opinion. But that doesn't change a thing. Actually, the people who can inform you it is legal are the Conservation Officers who are out there doing their job.
I think you have missed the point. Instead of repeating myself, do yourself a favour and go re-read what has already been posted. I think it's quite clear.
Retournons à l'enjeux - malgré qu'il est clairement indiqué que le passage est interdit, la photo suggère que des photographes ont choisi de ne pas respecter les propriétaires des ces terrains.
Cette photo nous permet pas de conclure qu'il a en fait une entrée interdite sur le terrain car nous ne savons pas si le, ou les, propriétaires a, ou ont, permit l'accès suite à une demande des photographes.
Alors, laissons la police faire sa fonction et espérons que tout se déroulera comme elle se doit.
Bon miroisage
First off, it's a bit of a stretch to say that "the majority of photographers have no problems with baiting owls". I know many photographer who are against baiting. I agree that baiting an owl near a road is a stupid and dangerous idea. I also find that after baiting, an owl will often become tame. I haven't heard of any baiting on Amherst, nor have I seen any on any of my trips there.
I personaly don't bait owls. I have taken photos of owls while others have been baiting them, although after an hour long drive both ways, it would be a waste of time/gas not to. I do have bird feeders, which cause window strikes as well as increased levels of disease. Is that a bad thing? It's up to each person to decide.
I am personaly more worried about all of the mice that die for people's enjoyment and photos (as well as frequent psychological effects on the owls). I try to prevent as much stress on birds I photograph as I can.
I also find it ironic all of the birders who have a problem with baiting, but are fine with frequent use of tapes, which is effectively the same thing as baiting.
First off, it's a bit of a stretch to say that "the majority of photographers have no problems with baiting owls". I know many photographer who are against baiting. I agree that baiting an owl near a road is a stupid and dangerous idea. I also find that after baiting, an owl will often become tame. I haven't heard of any baiting on Amherst, nor have I seen any on any of my trips there.
I personaly don't bait owls. I have taken photos of owls while others have been baiting them, although after an hour long drive both ways, it would be a waste of time/gas not to. I do have bird feeders, which cause window strikes as well as increased levels of disease. Is that a bad thing? It's up to each person to decide.
I am personaly more worried about all of the mice that die for people's enjoyment and photos (as well as frequent psychological effects on the owls). I try to prevent as much stress on birds I photograph as I can.
I also find it ironic all of the birders who have a problem with baiting, but are fine with frequent use of tapes, which is effectively the same thing as baiting.
It would be a sinple thing to take down (or photograph) all the licence plate numbers and forward them to the Ontario Provincial Police who could then follow up on the trespassing. If the photographers (or the company promoting the outings) do have permission, they should know the landowner's name and it would be easy to confirm.
Otherwise trespassing charges could be laid.
To me, if you are there taking photos while others are baiting, it is the same thing. That only gives you the excuse to say, "I don't bait" when asked. However, it is legal.
From what I understand, the mice (actually called feeder mice) are bred for feeding to snakes and other reptiles. I'd rather see it go to an owl. Many are also killed and frozen and used to feed birds of prey at rehabilitation centres.
I wonder how many mice or rodents are killed every year by people who simply set up mouse traps or poisons in their homes and basements?
First of all, I was part of this group and yes we had the owner permission exceptionaly for that day.
The police did came that day, stopped breavly and then went away. I walked in their direction and they did not even wait to talk to me, they just left without saying anything to us.
It's not illegal to feed the owls, it's not harrasment either since they come to us, we do not chase after them at all. And last but not least I enjoy the interaction that I get with them. When they return to their breeding ground they are healthy and fit, not emenciated and weak.
This is much better than finding a near death bird starving and capturing it to bring it to a rescue center where it will finaly be fed by humans! heck, if we can save them that fate, I am all for it.
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